From the historic campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, where the good, the true, and the beautiful are taught, nurtured, and honored, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

So we have to create a culture where, you know, people don't think of abortion as a solution anymore.

People realize that this is harmful, not only to the unborn child, but to the mother, for the family, to everybody, when you choose violence in that situation.

This is your host, Scott Bertram, and that's Alexandra DeSaintis.

She is staff writer at National Review at a visiting fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy

Center. Her brand new book is tearing us apart, how abortion harms everything and solves

nothing. We'll talk with Alexandra in a bit about the book and the aftermath of the Dobbs opinion.

But first, we're joined by Dr. Gary Wolfram, William Simon Professor of Economics and Public Policy,

director of economics and professor of political economy at Hillsdale College. Dr. Wolfram, thanks for

joining us once again. Well, thank you for having me again. I always enjoy being on.

We want to talk with you today about the plan, the proposal by President Biden on student loan debt relief.

And this has changed and shifted a bit.

There are some on the left who want to eliminate all student loan debt, of course.

The most recent proposal from the Biden administration appears to be

something along the lines of $10,000 worth of debt per student loan. One of the merits or lack

thereof of a policy like this. Well, I think there's a number of things to think about, but one of which

is, for example, Hillsdale College doesn't take student loans

from the federal government, and that's because the government can come in and tell you what to teach

and what you can't teach, and, you know, we are independent. And so by the whole system of student loans has encouraged people to take on debt that they

wouldn't otherwise have done.

But also, if I am a university or a college that accepts these student loans, I will

raise my tuition because now I know that a student's more likely to go ahead and pay the tuition.

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