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The Bulwark Podcast

Garry Kasparov and Jerusalem Demsas: Democracy Can't Defend Itself

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.6 • 11.6K Ratings

🗓️ 21 August 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

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Summary

While Trump keeps working hard on his own monetization and glorification—and delivers a Watergate practically every hour—the pro-democracy coalition must stay focused on winning next year's midterm elections. Trump is at the point of no return, Congress is becoming the only institution that can stop him, and holding onto that lever of power is his top priority. Meanwhile, not only did Trump look weak in Alaska, he also looked unpresidential. Plus, a new publication focused on the threats from the post-liberal right and left.

Jerusalem Demsas and Garry Kasparov join Tim Miller.

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Up next, we've got Gary Kasparov and Jerusalem Dempso.

1:00.2

Stick around.

1:14.6

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

1:16.1

I'm your host Tim Miller.

1:20.2

First up, we have a former World Chess Champion and Russian Dissident.

1:22.9

He's chairman of the Renew Democracy Initiative.

1:25.7

And in April, he launched the next move on Substack,

1:27.8

which offers in-depth analysis of the shifting front lines in the battle against authoritarianism and strategic insights on what to do next.

1:33.9

Couldn't be more excited to welcome Gary Kasparov.

1:36.7

Hey, Gary.

1:37.4

Thanks for inviting me.

1:38.6

I assume that our listeners and viewers are at minimum familiar with your, you know,

1:45.5

decade and a half long reign as the Grand Master Chess Champion of the entire world.

1:49.6

But maybe give folks a little backstory on, you know, the dissident part of your background

1:56.5

and, you know, your political activism.

1:58.8

I was born and raised in the Soviet Union, 62.

2:03.0

So grew up in a family of engineers.

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