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The Bulwark Podcast

Tommy Vietor: Trump's Security State

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

The fears of jack-booted thugs and the military in the streets that filled the fever dreams of numerous people on the right since the 90s have come to pass. Not to mention that these are boom times for private prisons, deportation camps, and huge data centers driving up electricity bills. (We're building things, Marc Andreessen!) Meanwhile, The Bulwark was live on the scene for the FBI raid at John Bolton's house—just the latest installment from Team Trump's pursuit of his enemies. Plus, Alex Jones is worried about Trump's cankles, and Gavin is proving to be a good fighter, but other Dems need to get in the game. Also, Gaza, Israel, and the exaggerated power of AIPAC.

Tommy Vietor joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod.

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Hello and welcome to the bulwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. I am punchy. I was up early. I've had a lot of caffeine. We're taping late. And we've got a troublemaker with us. He was a graduate of Kenyon College. He was the van driver for then Senator Obama in 2007. And now he's the co-host of a couple of podcasts called Pond Save America and Pond Save the World.

0:55.6

It's Tommy Vitor.

1:15.3

What's up, man? Buddy, great to see you. You and I were both up early, me because my children were tripping away in the nanad. You because you were covering an FBI raid. Yeah, we're covering the FBI raid. But it's important to bring that to you, you know, because I wanted you to be prepared for the podcast. I texted you. Let's pull this up. Let's actually, let's actually get a time stamp on this. I texted you this morning with a link to the news that we were breaking at the bulwark about John Bolton's house

1:20.2

being rated at 632 Central, 432 Pacific. You replied within 10 minutes. Yeah, it was not great. What was happening with that? I was up. I was making coffee. I just sometimes you're awake and you just got to, you got to just power through. Your podcast needs a new, like a sleep aid sponsor of some kind. It does. Because that is way too early. All right. Well, the news referenced Donald Trump's, what, national security advisor from his first term,

1:46.3

the man with the mustache, John Bolton.

1:48.2

His house was raided this morning, first reported right here by the bulwark.

1:52.9

Our friend Ben Wittis was on site, later confirmed by the New York Post and others,

1:57.6

more regime-friendly outlets that it was an FBI rate. In fact,

2:02.7

he was being targeted for national security concerns, they say. It was a national security

2:09.1

probe, I believe it was ABC has, and Benny Johnson, another crack reporter, has that it's related

2:14.8

to the classified documents issue from 2020 where he put some classified

2:19.6

material on his book, maybe that hadn't been approved through the process. I don't know if that's

2:24.4

the kind of thing that merits a home raid, but I was wondering what your reactions were bright and

2:29.0

early this morning. Yeah, I mean, my first reaction is if you're watching this and you're not

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