What's up everyone? Welcome back to the podcast. Today we're here with Dan from

Crop swap. We're talking about how gardening is the best type of activism

instead of trying to perhaps go and protest and hold a sign why not just be the change you

want to see in the world a little Gandhi quote there for you and just do what

you think everyone should do and you know fix yourself first and then let the chips fall where they may let the people

who are going to be influenced get influenced so let's go ahead and get into the episode.

You're talking about gardening being the best form of activism.

And I'm curious what you mean by that.

I think I have a sense of it just because I also do think similarly,

especially with the front yard garden.

Right. Yeah, I'm going to let you go ahead and riff on that for a sec.

Well, so, you know, I've really thought a lot about, you know, with my app, uh, crop stop that we're,

we're kind of, we think of ourselves as, we're just trying to be like

conduits, we're trying to be channels to kind of bring, to help foster these

things that we see. And I think often with activists, and know there's there's schools of thought around

activism you have Jean Sharp and you have Saul Linsky and all these thinkers and you know you

have kind of this I would say on the nose approach.

So if we're going to a protest for climate change,

we don't like this, we don't like this.

And for a lot of people, that can be quite exhausting.

And often if you're just talking about what you don't like you're not actually

Illustrating what you do like but when you're gardening you're like doing the work of like 10 things at once I mean the thing just come, the first things that come into my head

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