So again, you've generated revenue through some other things, some agency work, some custom work.

You're learning through some of the, you know, things you're signing with these things.

But you're pre-SAS revenue today.

You just launched it a month ago.

Yeah.

There's very early revenue from like the design partner.

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Hey folks, my guest today is Orr Weiss. He's the CEO and founder of Permit.io and co-maintener and author of Open Source opal.ac. He's a serial entrepreneur who's passionate about developer tools previously founding rookout.com, a leading production debugging solution and managing upwards Israel's largest founders' PLG community. Before becoming a founder, he worked as a lead engineer and multiple cybersecurity and big data companies, intelligence corporations, and as a consultant

for the Ministry of Defense as a VP of R&D at Netline-C-T Cyber Division. Or are you ready to take us to the top?

Yeah, I'm excited to be here. It's going to be fun. You're one of these like super smart

ex-Israeli defense guys, huh?

Well, I try my best.

I did get an early start.

So I started working with software at the age of five, thanks to my bigger sister.

And yeah, and I got to serve in the intelligence score in the IDF in 8200.

And that's really kind of a really a runway for acceleration that basically changed my life.

And it's awesome.

So what years?

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