From White Supremacy to Radical Human Connection with Frank Meeink
Transforming Trauma
Brad Kammer
4.6 • 140 Ratings
🗓️ 18 February 2026
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
"Whatever your trauma is, just know that somehow, some way it could be used to help another human being."
On this episode of Transforming Trauma, host Emily Ruth welcomes Frank Meeink, former white supremacist turned peer support specialist and recovery advocate, for a candid conversation about how honesty, humility, and service transformed his relationship with himself and others. Frank shares how decades of addiction, loss, and repeated relapse eventually led him to a moment of spiritual surrender, and how that turning point reshaped everything.
From his daily "God walks" and the personal mantra STAY (Stop Thinking About Yourself) to his work as an undercover recovery specialist connecting unhoused individuals with resources in downtown Los Angeles, Frank illustrates what it looks like to convert lived pain into genuine connection. The pair explores why saying "me too" can break through isolation, how letting go of resentments and the need to be the center of attention builds real self-esteem, and why highlighting someone's strengths alongside their struggles creates space for lasting change. Frank also reflects on the power of the "broken vessel" metaphor, the importance of sharing our stories only in service rather than performance, and why recovery is not about willpower but about surrendering to something greater and showing up for others each day.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Transforming Trauma Podcast. |
| 0:05.0 | Transforming Trauma is presented by the Complex Trauma Training Center. |
| 0:09.0 | I'm your host, Emily Ruth, and I'm so glad you've joined us today. |
| 0:13.0 | Licensed mental health professionals, we warmly invite you to join our spring |
| 0:18.0 | 2026 NARM Therapist training, a live online immersion into the |
| 0:23.7 | transformative power of the neuro-effective relational model. This advanced clinical training is designed |
| 0:29.5 | specifically for those seeking to deepen their expertise in healing complex trauma while offering |
| 0:35.2 | the accessibility of an online format. From January to August |
| 0:39.0 | 26, you'll be part of a supportive virtual community of learners, integrating mindfulness and |
| 0:45.7 | clinical expertise. Through four comprehensive modules, you'll gain specialized trauma-informed knowledge |
| 0:51.9 | and skills to confidently and compassionately address the impacts of adverse childhood experiences and complex trauma. |
| 0:59.7 | Together, we'll explore how to support the resolution of attachment, developmental, relational, cultural, and intergenerational trauma, |
| 1:08.4 | using a neurobiologically informed approach that promotes post-traumatic growth. |
| 1:12.6 | Embodying professional and personal growth, you'll become a catalyst for transformation in your practice and community. |
| 1:19.6 | Enrollment is now open for licensed psychotherapists, counselors, social workers, psychologists, and other mental health professionals, as well as graduate |
| 1:28.8 | trainees and interns working toward licensure. Visit complextrauma training center.com to learn more |
| 1:34.5 | and secure your spot in this online training opportunity. And now for our interview. |
| 1:40.5 | My guest today is Frank Mink, a speaker, author, and activist known for his work confronting |
| 1:46.9 | racism and violent extremism. He's the author of autobiography of a recovering skinhead, and his |
| 1:53.4 | story has been featured in documentaries, including Stephen Spielberg's Why We Hate, and across |
| 1:59.0 | major media outlets. Frank is a co-founder of life after hate, |
| 2:03.3 | supporting people leaving hate groups, and a recipient of the Anti-Defamation League's Civil Rights Hero of |
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