Reimagining Trauma Healing for Refugees with Yukako Sortino
Transforming Trauma
Brad Kammer
4.6 • 140 Ratings
🗓️ 4 February 2026
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
"Healing is not about improvement of daily functionalities or reduction of symptoms. Healing is deeply relational, cultural, and it's a political act." - Yukako Sortino
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On this episode of Transforming Trauma, host Emily Ruth welcomes Yukako Sortino, Manager of the Refugee Behavioral Wellness Program at Heartland Alliance Health, for a profoundly moving dialogue on trauma, resilience, and relational healing within refugee and immigrant communities. Drawing from her work in Chicago and her lived experience as an immigrant, Yukako invites listeners to reconsider healing as a collective, nonlinear journey that honors dignity, body, identity, and culture.
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Yukako illuminates the "triple trauma paradigm"—pre-migration, migration, and post-migration trauma—emphasizing how experiences of displacement and systemic oppression are woven into the fabric of everyday life for many refugees and immigrants. She shares how the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®) influences her approach as a relational lens, not a rigid method—prioritizing paced, attuned presence, honoring survival adaptations, and centering co-regulation before self-regulation. Through a vivid case study and reflection, she illustrates how micro-interventions, group-based and somatic supports, and culturally rooted practices restore agency and belonging amid ongoing adversity.
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The conversation also highlights the structural barriers and burnout faced by providers, advocating for rest as an ethical imperative and collective care as essential resistance. Listeners are called to see beyond clinical outcomes, to foster authentic community, and to recognize the vital role of therapist self-care and sustainability.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Transforming Trauma Podcast. |
| 0:05.0 | Transforming Trauma is presented by the Complex Trauma Training Center. |
| 0:09.0 | I'm your host, Emily Ruth, and I'm so glad you've joined us today. |
| 0:13.0 | Licensed mental health professionals, we warmly invite you to join our spring |
| 0:18.0 | 2026 NARM Therapist Training, a live online immersion into the |
| 0:23.7 | transformative power of the neuro-effective relational model. This advanced clinical training |
| 0:28.8 | is designed specifically for those seeking to deepen their expertise in healing complex trauma |
| 0:34.2 | while offering the accessibility of an online format. From January to August, 2026, you'll be part of a supportive, virtual community of learners, |
| 0:44.3 | integrating mindfulness and clinical expertise. |
| 0:47.3 | Through four comprehensive modules, you'll gain specialized trauma-informed knowledge and skills |
| 0:52.3 | to confidently and compassionately address the impacts of adverse childhood experiences and complex trauma. |
| 0:59.0 | Together, we'll explore how to support the resolution of attachment, developmental, relational, cultural, and intergenerational trauma, |
| 1:08.0 | using a neurobiologically informed approach that promotes post-traumatic growth. |
| 1:12.6 | Embodying professional and personal growth, you'll become a catalyst for transformation in your practice and community. |
| 1:19.6 | Enrollment is now open for licensed psychotherapists, counselors, social workers, psychologists, and other mental health professionals, as well as graduate |
| 1:28.9 | trainees and interns working toward licensure. |
| 1:31.6 | Visit complextrauma training center.com to learn more and secure your spot in this online |
| 1:36.6 | training opportunity. |
| 1:38.0 | And now for our interview. |
| 1:40.4 | YucocoSortino is a trauma-informed psychotherapist whose work centers refugees, undocumented |
| 1:46.0 | immigrants, and asylum-seeking communities. As program manager of the Refugee Behavioral Wellness |
| 1:51.7 | Program at Heartland Alliance Health, she supports individuals, families, and groups navigating |
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