It's growing the whole time, but the SaaS is not, you know, it's really an enabler for us.

We're not trying to build a big SaaS business.

So yes, the answer is yes, but also we don't particularly care.

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Hello, everyone. My guest today is V. Schreiber. He's the founder and CEO of Freitos.

Freightos is the digital platform of the booking platform for the half trillion dollar international

trade industry. The company connects airlines, ocean miners, freight borders, manufacturers, and retailers

to make international shipping digital and smooth. Previously, he was the CEO of Light Tech,

fired by GE, and founder and CEO of Unicorn acquired by GE and founder and CEO of Unicorn,

acquired by IBM and other tech startup.

He's spoken widely and written many articles, including many patents.

He's a PhD in computer science and is the author of FIS, which tells the history of physics

as a novel soon to be published money going out of style.

And there's soon to be published money going out of style.

Z, you ready to take us to the top?

Let's go.

Patents, books, great logistics.

You do everything, huh?

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