If there was a core lie that I was believing, but I didn't know that I believed, but if I found out and did the work to dig it out, that's worth investing it. That's worth trying to find out.

Well, everybody, I am here with my best friend and my husband, Zach Allen.

He's such a hit.

Everybody always wants you on the podcast, babe.

I show up every now and then, because you make me.

I know. Y'all, he used to be a pastor. You used to

have words on the ready all the time. But they were prepared words. I know. Tell everybody why

this always scares you a little. Yeah. So I think it was probably, probably about 10 years ago,

we were doing a marriage talk with some professional baseball players.

And we had prepared the talk and how it was going to go back and forth and what we were going to cover.

And as soon as we got on stage, Jenny, you know Jenny.

She just said, actually, this is where I want to go. And it was

totally off script. I had no idea where it was going. That was wrong. That was more than 10 years ago.

So that was it. That was the last time maybe that we've done something together. I forgot all of that. I'm going to just

do it on my own now. I'm not going to share a stage. You spoke at FCA this week. Oh, yes.

So cute. Tell everybody what you said. It was so good. Oh, I had just gotten back from my 30th

high school reunion. And the overarching conclusion is people don't change. Well, this is terrible

advertisement for everything I do, but keep going. I do believe you can change. And I do too.

But the reality is that... Unless you do the work, it's not changing. Yes. The people that

were following Jesus in high school

are still following him. Yeah. And those who weren't, aren't. Except for one guy, Tito. Tito was in a

major car wreck and gave his life to Jesus. And so that was the one exception. But to those high

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