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The Jennie Allen Podcast

BONUS EPISODE: Live in Waco with Jonathan Pokluda and Jennie Allen

The Jennie Allen Podcast

Jennie Allen

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.96.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

In this special live episode from Waco, Texas, Jennie sits down with her friend Jonathan “JP” Pokluda to talk about The Lie You Don’t Know You Believe, how core lies get planted in us, and what it looks like to actually fight them with truth, community, and the presence of Jesus.

Together, they unpack the three core lies so many people live under - I am helpless, I am unlovable, I am worthless - and how those lies often begin with real wounds, real moments, and real pain from childhood. Through honest stories, live Q&A, and practical wisdom, this conversation gets to the root of why we think the way we do and how freedom begins.

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0:00.0

Guys, this is a very special episode of the Jenny Allen podcast. Today, we are not only with our good friend, Jonathan McCluda, which this is like your 10th time on my podcast.

0:17.1

And we're in home turf.

0:18.6

Yeah, we are in Waco, Texas. And there's lots of eyeballs looking at it now. The promised land. We're going live in Waco in the back of Common Ground. You think there's a lot of eyeballs here? Yeah. Y'all. Let's go. Yeah. So fun. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Your book is in the world.

0:37.9

It's here.

0:40.1

The lie you don't know you believe.

0:40.9

Yeah.

0:43.7

It's already messed with me today.

0:44.3

I know.

0:47.9

I mean, it already, I will say it ruined my day.

0:52.1

I will say it got in my head.

0:52.5

Okay.

0:55.4

And I can't shake it, you know.

1:10.1

I got a book for that too. I've just kind of reframed everything. Yeah. You know, get out of your head. I need something. Well, here's the deal. I mean, we've got to go into the thing you shared. No. Yes. No, because there's people here. It was so good. It was so good.

1:13.0

By the way, people will be listening to our conversation earlier.

1:14.6

Let's just talk about it.

1:13.0

But, okay. No, because there's people here. It was so good. By the way, people will be listening to our conversation earlier.

1:14.6

Let's just talk about it.

1:19.8

But, okay, for those of you that are listening that don't know who my friend JP is, I can't imagine that you don't. But if you don't, he is, I mean, he was my pastor many years ago and really turned friend pretty quickly when we all lived in Dallas

1:30.5

together to Zach and I he and Monica just became dear friends and then we've just had the

1:35.8

best time the last few years on the road ministering together you've seen movements of God

1:40.5

and laughed hard what you guys don't know here, I'll give you something that I don't know

1:45.2

that anyone knows. Jenny has named at least two of the books I've written. So I'd like call her. I'm

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