the more

The less of your time will be available and and and ultimately the less the less of your time will be available and

And ultimately the less free you really really will be able to be if you have to take a

shower every day you will never be able to spend the night in the woods right I mean

that's just a loss of voluntary loss of freedom if you refuse to be hot or

cold or hungry or tired or what have you, you really have to live your life in the sort of confines of a of a modern American lifestyle that, you know, is very free in some ways but also creates a kind of dependency

in almost everyone that is the opposite of freedom.

So one of the things we were experimenting with on our trek was if we're willing

to be exhausted, we were moving 10, 20 miles a day, we're carrying 60 or 70 pounds. We know,

we walked through heat waves, we walked through blizzards, you know, what have you, like if we were willing to suffer, could we, would we be more free and it's sort of in an immediate sort of animal level absolutely

Welcome to the Spartan Up podcast with Joe DeSena founder and CEO of Spartan Race

We are talking about overcoming obstacles. The same way we teach people to get over obstacles on the course, we will teach you

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