Flow Genome Project's Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler on Altered States of Consciousness and Stealing Fire
Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais
Dr. Michael Gervais
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🗓️ 9 March 2017
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Summary
This conversation is with Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler. Many of you will remember Steven from our conversation about flow state -- if you missed that, check out episode 16 on Ultimate Human Performance. Jamie and Steven are the co-founders of the Flow Genome Project, which is a collection of world-class academics, athletes and artists dedicated to taking flow from the extreme to the mainstream. I've loved being their friend and being part of their community. Jamie and Steven are completely switched-on : smart, quick and divergent thinkers, lovers of life, and are so curious, that they embody what they're trying to learn. This conversation has very nuanced adult themes -- so -- if you're listening with kids, maybe you'll want to consider listening to this one without them depending on however you roll. Steven and Jamie just wrote a book together called: Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work. What I hope you'll take away from this conversation is the value of exploring the edges, the value of community, and how challenging it is to really change.
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| 0:00.0 | The things we know for sure you get one shot at this life and you're going to spend a third of it asleep |
| 0:06.7 | Those are those things are non-negotiable facts. So to me the only question of the matters is are you going to be fully awake for the rest of it? |
| 0:23.4 | Our welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervay. |
| 0:27.2 | And the idea behind these conversations is to learn from people who are on the |
| 0:30.9 | path of mastery, to better understand what they're searching for, |
| 0:34.7 | to understand how they understand the world, what is their worldview, how do they understand |
| 0:38.8 | themselves and how do they understand people in general, let alone the craft that they've come to |
| 0:43.5 | understand. And these are people that have dedicated their life efforts to be |
| 0:48.6 | able to explain and explore the nuances in a craft. |
| 0:53.0 | We want to dig even deeper to understand the mechanics of how they've trained their mind |
| 0:58.0 | to be able to do just that, to understand and explore the nuances. |
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