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🗓️ 28 August 2025
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Nigel Farage has stumbled over whether a Reform government would deport women and children as part of its border security plans. Does Reform UK need to think twice before rushing through policies?
Hugo Rifkind is joined by Manveen Rana and Fraser Nelson to unpack the politics of the day.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day and the stuff that's more important than politics too. |
| 0:12.9 | From Nigel Farage's slip-up to why President Trump is calling former Prime Minister Tony Blair. |
| 0:17.5 | And with me, the two people I would definitely call upon in a crisis, and they are, Manveen Rana.en I mean I would not just because you'd bring cakes I would bring cakes he says notice in the bag of cakes and Fraser Nelson hello Fraser my hotline's always open you go do you have cakes I'm sorry I haven't reached the level of sophistication yet right okay well I mean you know you can look I'll you're still welcome even with even with even without a cake. What have you brought for, yeah, I mean, you know, you can, you're still welcome, even with that, |
| 0:39.4 | even without a cake. |
| 0:40.0 | What have you brought for us today, Manvin? Oh, just little mini. Go on, let's see. It's delicious. Mini donuts. Oh, mini donuts. Oh, I mean, they are. French donuts. I think that makes a difference for some reason. I love the way you brought like loads, and I'm clearly only going to get to E1 as we discuss horrendous things like sort of war. |
| 0:39.2 | End of the world. |
| 0:40.0 | Yeah. difference for some reason. I love the way you brought like loads and I'm clearly only going to get to eat one as we discuss horrendous things like sort of war and the end of the world. The end of the world |
| 0:58.8 | and deprivations as I munch away in the background. Let's crack on. We've got lots to cover. We're going to |
| 1:03.7 | begin as everyone does these days by talking about illegal migration. A new report claims that the |
| 1:09.2 | government could end the use of migrant hotels by March |
| 1:12.2 | 2026 if it grants certain asylum seekers permission to stay for a limited period of time. The |
| 1:18.0 | refugee council says a one-off permission to stay for migrants from Afghanistan and other places with |
| 1:24.1 | a high success rate for claiming asylum is a practical proposal to speed up plans to end the use of hotels. |
| 1:30.8 | Fraser, look, there's a whole debate we can have, and indeed we'll carry on talking about it, about the ethics of asylum, |
| 1:38.7 | the ethics of protests against asylum and all that kind of stuff. |
| 1:42.9 | In simple political terms, however, to begin, |
| 1:46.0 | if you were trying to solve the problem of migrant hotels, how acceptable a solution, how |
| 1:52.4 | useful a solution is it to say, great, we'll let them out? Well, it depends who you mean by them. |
| 1:57.9 | I mean, some of the, for example, people coming from Somalia, Eritrea, I've got something like a 995% acceptance rate. So sure, you might make them wake 18 months through the, as you go through this process. But statistically, if you come from a war-torn country, our system will grant you asylum. So some of these cases are, you can see what the Refugee Council is saying this. Look, there are some people, if we're genuinely sure they're from these countries, then we know what the result's going to be. So why keep them lingering in a hotel all of this time? On a practical basis, it's quite a sensible hand proposal. It's the political difficulty that is the problem, because the government would effectively be saying, look, we just run out of the ability to process them. |
| 2:38.6 | So we're going to rubber stamp them pretty much as they get off the boat. |
| 2:42.0 | Where are you from, Eritrea? |
| 2:43.0 | So you can see politically this is difficult. |
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