Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

who once went on a stadium tour in the 1980s

that grossed so much money, the IRS had to dedicate an entire task force to you, or else,

a scrappy upstart, starting a thread on Reddit about the need to unionize bands that make $50 a show at DIY venues.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse

to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the third Friday of December 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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