This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reed.

This is that call that heard she's talking about.

And then when she got on the phone, I had told her, Karen, I saw you guys outside of my sister's house.

And then she told me she didn't remember being there.

And then she went on to, she started saying, could I have hit him?

Did I hit him?

I don't.

And then she just was just all over the place, like screaming my name, screaming so many different things. She was hard to follow or understand.

When she was saying to you, did I hit him, could have I hit him? Was that before or after you informed her that you had seen her out front of your sister's house?

It was after I told her that. she also informed me that she had cracked her

daylight. In that conversation she told you that? In one of the conversations I had with her in my

bedroom, yes. When you told her that you had seen her out front, she had said that she didn't

remember that night. Was that before or after

she was saying, did I hit him? Could have I hit him? Can you repeat the question? She was telling

you about that she didn't remember that night. Was that before or after you had told her about

seeing her car? When I said I saw her at Fiaveu, then her response was

she didn't even remember going there. Did she ever deny that she came to Mr. Oak Heaps' house?

I mean, to your sister's house? No. When she told you or said to you, did I hit him or could have I hit him or

something like that. Did you have any idea what she was talking about? No, I didn't pay attention to it.

When she told you that she had cracked her tail night the night before, did that have any significance at that

time to you? No. And it wouldn't because

that piece of the puzzle has not even been presented yet. What is going in Karen's mind at this

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