This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reed.

The more that we're seeing the testimony, it really feels like, you know,

Brennan is painting a very good picture and I think a very relatable one for anybody who, you know,

has family, has friends that have gone out, you know,

at night and hung out. And then, hey, let's go over to so-and-so's and have some fun. And,

and we have it on video at the waterfall. There's no fighting. There's nothing going on. All these

people are having a good time. They somehow have to suddenly turn on John O'Keefe and decide to

kill a fellow cop while everything is going on at this party and then everyone is going to

cover all of this up. That seems absurd. But especially when we hear the testimony of everyone who is there,

and we're still going to hear a lot more of it from everyone who is there. But he's painting

a very relatable picture, I think, to that jury. And I feel like it's landing a hell of a lot

better than it did last time for people to go, this is kind of absurd.

Yeah, I mean, look, my, my thought on the thing, and as far as kind of the way that I've interpreted that third-party culprit theory was never that this was some kind of plot.

This was like the akin to a bar fight that went bad.

Now, I don't know if you've ever been in a bar.

I've had clients that have not had any intention on really, really hurting something

and somebody in a bar fight, and they've done it because it's a bar fight.

So I think it was more along the

lines of that as opposed as this was some kind of like, let's lure John O'Keefe to the house

and let's beat him to death. I don't think that that's what it is. You know, and like for me,

when I heard Alan Jackson give the opening statement and I thought he cut the legs out from under what I believe, for me, would be the only reasonable explanation that something may have gone in that house, which was, as I've told you before, when we learned that Higgins was hitting Karen up,

you know, they had something brewing.

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