Welcome back to EW's Game of Thrones podcast.

This is our second episode discussing the new book,

Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon,

the untold story of making Game of Thrones.

So if this is the first episode you're hearing,

you might want to start with last week.

Otherwise,

let's get a bit deeper into some of the revelations from the book

and some new interview clips from the cast and the writers.

So I think where we left off was the end of the failed pilot and the decision to go ahead and green light the series and basically reshoot the pilot and do season one.

And they kind of dove into it and they dove into it in a very strange way

because everything was shot out of order, which is not the way TV shows are normally shot. That's the way

movies are normally shot. So, you know, in addition to having to kind of figure out this epic show

and and get it right after this initial initial fumble you know they were also shooting

everything out of order which made everything all the more you know you know complex and confusing

in some ways so you know Darren we know was there anything from that that chapter that sort of

stood out to you James the this the material in your book that's about the kind of filming of that first season,

it really kind of brings me back to something you were talking about last week,

that having covered this show so much as you did in the sort of, okay, this show is kind

of actively happening now, and like there are things we kind of have to cover as journalists while it's, you know, happening while it's in production while people are seeing it.

Here, I just love how you really draw the reader back to the very different situation of filming

that first season. The fact that so few people even knew this show was a thing, the fact that certainly no one

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