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Living with the Gods

Fire and State

Living with the Gods

BBC

History

4.7616 Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2017

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Neil MacGregor continues his series on the expression of shared beliefs in communities around the world and across time.

Many societies have seen the mesmerizing phenomenon of fire as a symbol of the divine. Neil MacGregor focuses on sacred fire which comes to represent the state itself: the perpetual fire in the Temple of Vesta in Rome, the great Parsi fire temple in Udvada, India, and 'la Flamme de la Nation', the Flame of the Nation, constantly burning beneath the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

Producer: Paul Kobrak

The series is produced in partnership with the British Museum. Photograph: (c) The Trustees of the British Museum.

Transcript

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0:00.0

These must be the so-called Vestal virgins, who were the priestesses of Vesta and had one absolutely central job,

0:13.0

which is tending the sacred flame of the city.

0:17.8

Hello, I'm Neil McGregor.

0:20.3

For the whole of human history, believing and belonging have gone together.

0:25.8

In this series of podcasts, I'm looking at objects and at places to see how those shared beliefs have helped build communities and how they can also divide them.

0:36.6

The series is called Living with the Gods,

0:39.4

and it's about faith and about society, but it's essentially about how we live with each other.

0:45.9

In this episode, the focus is on fire.

0:49.7

This is the BBC.

0:54.7

Look at people's faces when they gather around a bonfire

0:58.2

or shrink back from a burning building.

1:01.4

And you'll see how close most of us still are

1:03.8

to the fascination and to the fear

1:05.8

that fire held for our ancestors

1:08.0

when they first gained control of it

1:10.2

more than a million years ago.

1:14.0

It's fire that made human society possible. It kept the wild animals at bay, allowed us to cook,

1:20.8

gave us light and warmth, kept us safe. The hearth is the home. But this flickering, ungraspable fire also has the power to destroy us and our world like nothing else.

1:33.8

No wonder then that this mesmerizing phenomenon was for many societies the obvious symbol of the divine.

1:41.9

Prometheus in classical mythology stole fire from the gods themselves.

1:46.8

For the Jews, God spoke to Moses from the flames of the burning bush. But two great

1:52.5

empires went further. For them, sacred fire came to represent the state itself, to be the

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