Finnish Ambassador: Here’s the right way to poke the Russian bear
The Conversation with Dasha Burns
POLITICO
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🗓️ 3 March 2023
⏱️ 35 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The war in Ukraine is just over one year old. |
| 0:03.0 | There is widespread talk of a major spring offensive from both sides. |
| 0:08.0 | War in Europe, once unthinkable, is now the new normal. |
| 0:12.0 | But for one nation on Russia's northern border, this feels like deja vu. |
| 0:17.0 | It's a reminder of the Tsars who dominated them from the time of Napoleon until the Russian Revolution. |
| 0:23.0 | Or Joseph Stalin who invaded their land. |
| 0:26.0 | Or the Soviets who meddled in their affairs throughout the Cold War. |
| 0:30.0 | Like Ukraine, Finland knows what it's like to share a long border with Russia. |
| 0:36.0 | The Finns have had Vladimir Putin as a neighbor, and they've been performing the same delicate dance of decoupling under his very watchful eye. |
| 0:46.0 | A few weeks ago, Finland's ambassador to the United States, Miko Hautula, invited me and a few political colleagues over for dinner at his residence. |
| 0:55.0 | It was a memorable night, not just because of the stiff finished drinks he served, but also because of the unique insights he shared. |
| 1:03.0 | And I knew that you would want to hear all about it. |
| 1:07.0 | This week I returned to see him, this time at the Finnish Embassy, with two microvones and a very strong belief that Washington needs to know what he does about the war in Ukraine, |
| 1:17.0 | and how it is changing virtually every facet of global statecraft. |
| 1:23.0 | I'm Ryan Liza, and this is Playbook Deep Dive. |
| 1:29.0 | Before his posting to Washington, Miko Hautula was Finland's ambassador to Russia, |
| 1:34.0 | where he met Vladimir Putin more times than he can count. |
| 1:38.0 | I couldn't help but notice that outside the entrance of the sauna at the Finnish residency, which is a well-known destination for reporters and diplomats and government officials, hangs a picture of the ambassador and Putin. |
| 1:52.0 | Hautula occupied his post in Moscow during the critical years following Putin's first invasion of Ukraine. |
| 1:58.0 | He arrived here in Washington in 2020, and since the war began, he's become well-known as the person to talk to to understand Putin and Russia and the conflict in Ukraine. |
| 2:09.0 | At the embassy, we discussed what Americans don't understand about the Russian leader, the implications of the growing alliance between China and Russia, Finland's a session to NATO, |
| 2:20.0 | and why he believes the West needs to massively ramp up its industrial capability if it wants Ukraine to survive. |
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