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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

How to investigate the president, his predecessor & keep your job

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Until last month, Anthony Coley was Director of Public Affairs at the Justice Department and a Senior Adviser to Attorney General Merrick Garland.  Coley was in the middle of some of the most extraordinary episodes at DOJ over the last two years:  The appointment of two special counsels investigating one current and one former president. Responding to the drama around the investigation of the president’s son.  Taking incoming from right-wing pundits saying Garland was protecting President Biden and left-wing pundits saying the attorney general was protecting former president Trump.  And occasionally grappling with perhaps the most difficult dilemma that any government official faces: what do you do when you disagree with the boss? In his first interview since leaving Merrick Garland’s side, Coley joins Playbook Deep Dive host Ryan Lizza from his home on Capitol Hill to discuss how the Justice Department separates law from politics, why two special counsels might just take the pressure off Garland, and much, much more. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Anthony Coley is the former director of public affairs at the Department of JusticeAfra Abdullah is an associate producer for POLITICO audio.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.Brook Hayes is a senior editor for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is the executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Until last month, Anthony Coley was Director of Public Affairs at the Justice Department

0:07.7

and a Senior Advisor to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

0:11.5

Coley was in the middle of some of the most extraordinary episodes at DOJ over the last

0:17.1

two years.

0:19.0

The appointment of two special councils investigating one current and one former president, responding

0:25.6

to the drama around the investigation of the president's son, taking incoming from

0:30.9

right-wing pundits saying Garland was protecting President Biden and left-wing pundits saying

0:36.3

the Attorney General was protecting former President Trump, and occasionally grappling

0:41.4

with perhaps the most difficult dilemma that any government official faces.

0:46.7

What do you do when you disagree with the boss?

0:50.3

The law is the law, and the law is not what we want it to be, the law is the law.

0:56.8

I'm Ryan Liza, and this is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:04.7

Anthony Coley had a long history in Washington before he went to work for Merrick Garland.

1:09.6

He made a name for himself on the Hill and in the Obama administration.

1:13.0

I work for Harry Potter Jr., I work for Tech Kennedy, I was his last comms director.

1:17.6

I work for his Zell Miller twice.

1:19.8

In December 2020, when Coley was asked to take the DOJ job, he knew it would be a challenge.

1:25.8

Joe Biden had promised to de-politicize the department after the turbulence of the Trump

1:30.1

years.

1:31.3

Merrick Garland was a political lightning rod who had been punished by Republicans when he

1:35.9

was nominated to the Supreme Court by Barack Obama, but was seen as a hero to the left

1:41.2

for suffering through that old deal.

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