Hello Crimes of the Times listeners, Christopher Gafford here with a special announcement.

We are kicking off the next season of Crimes of the Times this fall with a new multi-episode series called Pandora's Box, the fall of L.A.'s

It's about the FBI investigation into corruption and brutality at the L.A. County Jail in the early 2010s

and how it triggered a cover-up that seemed to go right to the top all the way to then-Sheriff Lee Baca.

It's a story about the clash between two massive law enforcement agencies. It's about torn loyalties.

It's about hubris.

A new episode starts September 9th.

As Frank Carson's trial approached its end, his secretary would find him standing on the back porch of his office, drinking a soda and soaking in the sunlight.

He had never forgotten how chilly it had been during his 16 months in jail.

Now it was as if he could never get warm enough, as if he'd never really left the cell.

He was just like permanently frozen.

This is Felicia Walden, who had worked for him throughout the trial.

And he would just stand out there.

And then finally I went out there and asked him like, what are you doing?

And he was like, oh, it's just nice and warm out here. And, you know, I don't know when or if, you know, there

will become a time where I won't be able to do this anymore, to stand out in the sun. And so I'm

just enjoying it while I can, if things go left.

Bobby Atwal, one of Carson's co-defendants, told me that his verdict day approached he prepared for the possibility that he'd go to prison.

He went to Costco and stockpiled supplies for his family to live off in his absence.

Stock toilet paper, paper towel towel for my daughter diapers,

an extra diaper for her, and my wife know that too what I'm doing,

but she never asked me.

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