Hi, this is Christopher Gafford.

I'm at work putting together a new narrative series set to drop in the fall.

In the meantime, I wanted to reintroduce you to the Trials of Frank Carson,

the story of a criminal defense attorney who was put on trial for murder.

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Music Thanks for listening, and please rate and subscribe. Hi, this is Steve Clow.

I'm the editor of our podcast, The Trials of Frank Carson,

and this is bonus episode seven called Trial.

I'm here with the host and reporter on this podcast, Chris Gauford.

Hello, Steve. Chris. We are finally in the trial of the trials of Frank Carson.

And it's at this point in the story, in the process, where your in-person reporting seriously began. Could you describe the time you spent

in the courtroom and in Modesto as this trial was underway? Yes, I get up there for the first time in March

2019 when the trial has already been going on for more than a year and still has a few

months to go. I meet Carson at his office and he gives me an overview of the case from his point of

view. He was free and able to practice, but he's confined by the court to Stanislaus County.

And he says his adversaries are monsters. They're all monsters he tells me and i get my

first look inside carson's office uh he doesn't work in a corporate office with uh slick furnishings he's

a solo practitioner he's got his own building it's kind of eccentricly decorated kind of gritty mismatch

bookshelves he's got a kitchenette in the back. Not a fancy

fellow at all. A man who likes bologna sandwiches on white bread, he actually consults the law

books in his office rather than rely on LexisNexis. And, Chris, just to recap a little bit,

at this point, there has already been a very lengthy preliminary hearing,

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