Well, so many of you know that me and Jessica and our family have been committed to animal charities in Kansas City for over 20 years. And you've listened on the podcast over the last few months as I've talked about a wonderful organization called White Coat Waste, you can find online at whitecoatwaste.org. And as you meet and hear our next guest, if you feel compelled to make a contribution, you certainly can.

They're helping save your tax dollars.

They're also doing things that are humane for animals in research, as so much of the research that's funded by our federal government is wasteful.

Justin Goodman is kind enough to spend some time with us here on the podcast.

He's the senior vice president for advocacy and public policy at whitecoatwaste.org. And he joins us now, I think, from the Washington, D.C. area. Hello, Justin. How are you? Hey, Kevin. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much for your time. Let's start first with this. I think a lot of my listeners know the background of what's going on with the Beagle research and how passionate I am about this.

First, walk me through a little bit about what white coat waste is. It's not just puppy research.

What it is, what you do, and how it was all started.

Sure. So, white coat waste project is a taxpayer watchdog group started in, really in earnest in 2016, our campaigns

launch. And we were co-founded by Republican political strategists who had been working on various

defund campaigns on other issues. And they were animal lovers. And when they learned that

$20 billion a year of our tax dollars are wasted on animal lovers, and when they learned that $20 billion a year of our tax dollars are wasted on

animal testing, $20 billion a year of our tax dollars are wasted on animal testing, they sprung

into action and they founded WICO Waste Project, whose mission is to what we like to use the acronym

Fed, find, expose, and defund taxpayer-funded

animal experiment.

We, uh, so we're a taxpayer-washed our group.

We do investigations.

We work with whistleblowers.

Um, we do investigations using the Freedom Information Act to uncover waste and abuse

in government laboratories.

And then we work with members of Congress to crack down on the waste.

And ultimately, in the best case scenario, cut funding for some of these wasteful programs.

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