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You know, when we're together and we're physically gathered, we have a real physical response to the proximity of bodies.

Like it's that simple.

It's just the chemistry of togetherness and that brings us

happiness and I think you know you add a beautiful meal to that and you have yet

an even an amplification of that. This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 16 years, Debbie has been talking with creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode Debbie talks with Fannie Singer about her career writing about art and food and about cooking in the time of coronavirus.

Part of why I've been so depressed in this time is I'm used to cooking for people like three or four times a week.

Here's Debbie, first with a couple of messages, then her interview with Fannie Singer.

I'm a native New Yorker, but since the beginning of the pandemic, I've been living in Los Angeles.

I miss my hometown, but I love having more space, more sun, and a big garden.

And almost nothing makes me happier than tending to the tomatoes and the fox club and

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