Hi, my name is John Kim. I'm a therapist who went through his own rebirth many years ago

and I've been documenting my journey ever since sharing my life lessons and revelations.

I believe in casual or clinical with you instead of at you. I come unrehearsed on purpose

because self-health doesn't have to be so complicated.

So you're going to love this episode. It's an important episode. This episode is

Eve Rotsky who created fair play that is it not only a book but also a documentary. Vanessa and I saw

the documentary and I'll be honest with you as a Korean American who had

parents from the old school. I grew up where my dad would yell across the other room for my mom to get him a glass of water.

He did no domestic work. He was a workaholic outside of the house, but inside the house he did nothing.

I also learned nothing. I didn't learn how to fold laundry or to do dishes or make my own bed. My mom did all of that. And so watching this

documentary really brought up a lot for me and we were lucky enough to get

the person who wrote the book, Eve Rotsky, and she transformed a quote-unquote blueberries breakdown into a catalyst for social change when she applied her

Harvard-trained background in organizational management to ask the simple yet

profound question what would happen if we treated our homes as our most important organizations?

She went on to sell a book called Fair Play hitting the New York Times Best Selling

List and a national bestseller of Find Your Unicorn Space.

Here is our interview and conversation. I know you'll find it really interesting at the least, hopefully, effective as well.

Enjoying.

Yeah, I would like to start with this sentence, just dive right in.

I'm surprised you didn't get the blueberries, which sounds like a t-shirt by the way, but that was the bathroom moment for you, huh?

Yeah, I think what the you know, what do therapists say that research is research?

So, you know, John, I didn't expect to be an expert on the gender division of labor, right?

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