Peter, I take it you have not had a deep, plain facelift. But question, would you feel comfortable

sharing if you had? The fact that you assumed that I haven't. I know you woke up like that,

Peter. There was no surgical intervention required. It's lots of moisturizers. It's funny,

you know, it's not something that I'm pretty agnostic about it.

I don't think that I worry too much about what I look like and I don't sort of spend too long in front of the mirror.

So, but I'm equally, I understand if people are unhappy with how they look, finding ways to improve that, whether it's through surgical interventions,

I think that's up to them.

But I do know that people do spend a huge amount of time thinking about their personal

appearances.

I know how big the fashion industry is.

I worked a lot on the environmental costs of clothes productions in particular.

So, you know, I know that these are multi, many multi-billion

dollar industries and so too has become the industry of surgical interventions. So I'd like to

say that if I wanted to have an intervention, I wouldn't feel embarrassed about saying it, but I think

I'm probably going to get through life without it. What about you? No, I haven't had a facelift or a

deep plain facelift. I've actually not had any surgical interventions. But I'm also, even though,

as I said in the last episode, I've got some concerns about the way we're all trying to

assimilate to a very specific beauty norm. I'm really not judging people who do because your appearance, you should have agency

over it. And I very much understand why people feel they want to change things, because it's an

intensely pressurized environment we live in. And there's lots of research that shows conforming to

what society regards as attractive, it is a major advantage in life.

There's lots of stories now actually coming out about a Zenpick people saying that they get promoted at work faster

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