Peter, here's a question I've never asked you before. Are you a Kardashian fan? It's a tricky question. I'd say that I've met superfans in my life. So I'm aware of the Kardashians. Well done. I've never watched a more than about 10 minutes of a Kardashians episode. But I'm going to guess that there's going to be a lot of saying about the Kardashians, but where's this going to go off?

Tell me, are you a Kardashian fan?

I feel like I should reassure our listeners now, by the way, we're not doing a legacy of the Kardashians. Although, if you would like the legacy of the Kardashians, let us know. Peter, you've watched 10 minutes more of keeping up with the Kardashians than I ever have. but I've probably watched more than 10 minutes worth of clips on socials of Kardashian shenanigans. And I am kind of fascinated by why they are a thing,

because I still don't really get what the thing is. It's a bit like Gertrude Stein said about

San Francisco, there's no there there there.

Like, what is the there there? Anyway, one thing I do think is interesting about them is the way

they've pioneered a new aesthetic. And when I say pioneered, it makes it sound positive.

I'm not sure at all it's a positive thing. But they certainly have a huge influence over global culture, especially when it comes to not just what

you wear, how fashion used to be in the old wholesome days. This is about how you surgically

intervene in your body and use other techniques as well to change your physical appearance to conform

to a look. And they have kind of embodied that look. And that is one of the reasons we might

find them popping up today. Because today, Peter, well, we're going to do facelifts. And,

you know, I'm in your hands afa. I thought that you were going to say that you

could name all of the Kardashians from Courtney and Kim to Kylie to Chris.

Look at you showing off how you do know all the Kardashian names, Peter. So one Kardashian whose name I do

know is Chris Jenner. And she's the mother. And my sister

sent me an Instagram post about a month ago saying, have you seen Chris Jenner? And she sent me

this image, and I was like, what's the big deal? And she was like, can't you see how young she

looks? And then I realized that she was not one of the daughters, which I'd assumed

when I saw the image, she was the mother. And the reason that image went viral is because she'd had

something done to her face, which made her look the same age as her daughters. Not in that old school

wind-swept, skin-pulled-back faceliftway, but something totally new that was eerily impressive because it

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