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The Age Of Cargo | The Cargo Ship | 1

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History, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary

3.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

The cargo ship didn't just move goods — it moved civilisations. Peter and Afua trace 2,000 years of maritime trade, from Roman grain ships and spice routes to the Hanseatic League, the sugar plantations of Madeira, and the brutal economics of the triangular trade.


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Explore more from Peter and Afua — essays, sources, and ideas: Substack: peterfrankopan.substack.com | afuahirsch.substack.com

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0:00.0

When I think about the great inventions of all time, you know, I guess the list is pretty obvious, the control of fire, maybe the wheel, the printing press.

0:09.5

What have you got any ideas about the great inventions of our times that make life easier, better and have changed the world?

0:18.2

Electric bikes, sorry, but that's been life-changing for me. Yeah, because now I can get around

0:24.6

between places that aren't well connected by public transport that would be slower to get to

0:32.1

in a taxi because the traffic's so bad. These like whole bike sharing apps, I think they're amazing.

0:37.4

They're greener, cleaner.

0:38.7

You get to experience the environment because you're outside seeing the streets. And if the weather's

0:44.2

right, it's really lovely. And this is my secret tip, because when I'm going out in heels or I'm

0:49.0

dressed up, I don't want to walk. So I don't want to like go down escalators and onto platforms.

0:55.1

But going in a taxi can be really, really slow and I'm always running late.

0:58.1

So that's literally.

0:59.2

So that's you, is it?

1:00.1

That's you, the person who in kind of very smart party kit who zips past very fast on an electric bike.

1:07.3

So you take an electric bike over the internet or MTV or, I have been known to arrive on a red carpet via electric bike. So you take an electric bike over the internet or MTV or I have been known to

1:11.7

arrive on a red carpet via electric bike share. Yeah, it is literally my jam. No, I think,

1:17.8

you know what I was thinking my 14 year old daughter has just really got into vinyl. And I keep thinking

1:23.8

the record player was a really great invention because it seems to have survived the cassettes, the CD, the MP3 and now the iPhone. Young people have gone back to vinyl.

1:36.5

So you can't knock it. That's an invention that's endured. And I think it's one of those things

1:41.2

that's actually becoming more valuable and more appreciated,

1:48.7

the more digital tech kind of surpasses old-fashioned record players.

1:52.0

So let's just take a moment to acknowledge the brilliance of the record player. We should have talked about this before we agree what we're going to talk about.

1:55.4

So I thought, you know, fire, the wheel, purified water.

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