Extreme listening are two words that don't usually go together, but there is no other way to describe what Deacon does.

She made a documentary called White Right, meeting the enemy,

where she as a Muslim woman goes and spends time with white

supremacist, trying to understand what makes them tick.

And the way she gets through to them is by listening.

If we all learn to listen like Dia, it is absolutely remarkable the breakthroughs we will all be able to make.

This is a bit of optimism.

Dia, I can't tell you what a treat this is for me. I saw your documentary White Right.

Yeah. When it first came out. Oh, wow. It struck me so hard how you were able to explore that human beings are basically human beings.

Yeah.

What I loved about it was you went for a dark subject and you found light.

We should probably say for people who haven't seen it.

You decided to go and spend time with white supremacist.

Yes.

And you were actually, I won't say marching with, but walking with those white supremacist in

Charlottesville when all of that went down.

Yes, yes.

Which was insane.

I mean I had no idea at the time when this white supremacist group said we're going to this rally

It's going to be in this place called Charlottesville and I was like okay great you because I had gone to some of like the clan rallies before then and it would be like you know four toothless people there and I was like okay well it'd be nine people at this one

Yeah, I'll come along fine great. I just get to spend more time with one of the guys I was very

interested in that's fine and then of course early in the morning I remember they all gathered in this parking lot and it was so many people and there were so many weapons and there were so many military uniforms and I'm of course the only

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