Welcome to the Pestan podcast. Today I'll be talking to the former World Health Organization Director Anthony Costello about whether testing, tracking, tracing really can make us safe.

I'll be talking to the legendary Big Sam Adidas about whether the Premier League is being sensible

or has taken leave of its senses in restarting the football season.

David Miliband will tell me how he feels about the leadership of the Labour Party being shown by Sequea Stama.

And finally, Andrea Leadsen will presumably have some views on why the popularity of the government seems to be falling.

Let's start with you, Andrea Ledsoom. Am, are you worried by the fact that the net popularity of the government has fallen?

Boris Johnson had enormous support up till now for the way he was performing during this crisis.

But for the first time, disapproval is above approval.

Yeah, I think this is, the situation has now rotated

from the imposition of the lockdown restrictions to protect lives.

And now as we try and just start to lift those restrictions a little bit,

that of course is incredibly difficult for people.

They want to have certainty when there isn't any.

The Prime Minister has tried to be really clear that we're just going to be taking baby steps

to make sure that we don't do too much and have that R rate go back above one, as you've

been pointing out yourself. And so it's inevitably the case that people will feel a bit frustrated, a bit concerned.

They don't like the change in direction and that's understandable.

But do you think people want more freedom or less freedom?

Well, you see, in my constituency mailbox, it's both.

You know, some people are writing to me saying,

why on earth don't we just, you know, stop this, we need to get back to work,

this is doing a huge amount of damage to the economy.

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