I'm John Batser with my colleague, Judy Dempsey, a senior scholar for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

She's in Berlin.

We move to Moscow, which is non-transparent, I understand, but it's been around for several hundred years.

And since Peter the Great, Moscow's had a great ambition to get respect. So is Petersburg.

That's why they build it. Get respect from Europe. That's why Petersburg looks like Europe.

If you wink a little fast. And Moscow has been a fortress for a thousand years. But it's always

yearned to be accepted by Europe.

Presuming the ceasefire goes forward, presuming Ukraine is in a rebuilding mode,

what is the thinking in Berlin and in Brussels about Moscow?

Is it brought back into the fold as a provider of energy as part of the culture?

How is it understood Moscow and Europe will work together, if they will, in the coming

years?

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

This is way off the radar screens at the moment, frankly.

And as for energy elements, the

Nord Stream pipelines, which linked Russian gas directly under the Baltic Sea to Germany,

that's destroyed. No, these old days are over. Maybe I'm underestimating this, and I'm sure

they're economists and think times

or more or more importantly,

the business lobbyists are dying to get back into

to Russia.

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