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#EU: NOT INVITED. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.

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🗓️ 19 February 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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#EU: NOT INVITED. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.
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0:00.0

I'm John Thatcher with my colleague, Judy Dempsey, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

0:10.1

Senior scholar, she's in Berlin.

0:12.2

The elections are Sunday.

0:13.9

Everything matters about those elections.

0:17.4

And we're in a zone where we can be surprised.

0:21.9

Right now it's 30 merits, 20, Vidal, 15 or 16 for both the Greens and the Socialists,

0:29.8

and it looks like a coalition will be formed without Vidal.

0:33.2

That's the presumption.

0:34.3

That's the common assumption now.

0:37.0

Well, we turn to the war in Ukraine because no matter the coalition, no matter of these results,

0:42.8

Germany's participation in a resolution of Ukraine is expected, is assumed.

0:49.5

But, Judy, a column in the Financial Times this morning uses a metaphor that looked suggestively disdainful, but at the same time made me smile.

1:00.9

It's entitled, Europe consigned a kids table in Ukraine peace talks, says a defense CEO, member of your defense industry.

1:10.4

The kids table is what we use in America for families getting

1:14.9

together on the weekend, and you feed the children first, and then they go off and play. That is

1:20.3

cruel, but it does appear that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin do not believe the EU is important

1:26.6

to have at the table.

1:28.1

Is that a blow to Germany? Have they talked about it in the election?

1:32.2

Well, Schultz doesn't want to discuss this because Schultz's attitude towards Ukraine has been

1:38.8

ambiguous. On the one hand, Germany can shove in billions of euros to support the Ukrainian economy,

1:46.2

but he won't shove in all the military equipment necessary for Ukraine, if it ever could, defeat Russia.

1:55.9

But no, this is just not about Germany.

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