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Depresh Mode with John Moe

Esmé Weijun Wang’s Mind Convinced Her She Was Dead and In the Afterlife

Depresh Mode with John Moe

Maximum Fun

Health & Fitness, John Moe, Interview, Comedy Interviews, Comedy, Mental Health

4.9854 Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

The author of The Collected Schizophrenias shares an unusual mental health journey

Transcript

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0:00.0

A note to our listeners, this episode contains mention of suicidality and child sexual abuse.

0:07.3

Grab some extra shoes, perhaps a fleece.

0:10.4

Let's pack a couple sandwiches for the road because you and I are going on a trip.

0:15.6

It's Depression Mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here. Okay, fine. It's not really a road trip.

0:28.6

It's a trip inside someone's mind.

0:32.6

And it's a long trip that goes a whole lot of places, places in the mind, in a mind that you probably haven't been

0:40.9

before. Now, major depressive disorder is a real thing. Generalized anxiety disorder is a real thing.

0:49.4

Those experiences are very, very common. If you think you don't know anyone with depression,

0:55.4

well, yes, you do. Today, we're going to some rarer places, places that are just, you didn't

1:01.9

know humans did that. We're going to talk about one person's, one very eloquent and descriptive

1:07.9

persons, life with psychosis, with schizoaffective disorder,

1:12.2

with cotard's delusion, her life in the most prestigious level of higher education,

1:18.4

and how shockingly bad her mental health was handled there.

1:22.6

And we'll talk about the complex post-traumatic stress disorder that she has recently identified as perhaps

1:29.3

being a really major contributor to all of it. And sure, you may have depression and not some of

1:36.5

these more extreme conditions. You probably do, but I think you'll find that you can relate,

1:42.8

because all of mental health is on a continuum.

1:46.8

It forms a spectrum.

1:48.2

We're all on it somewhere together.

1:50.5

And while it can be distressing, of course, it and we are pretty fascinating.

1:57.5

Esmee Wee-Jun Wang is a brilliant writer based in San Francisco.

2:01.7

She's the author of the New York Times bestselling memoir The Collected Schizophrenias.

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