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Nobody wants to go after the big 10 people in our field.

One list is Brian, Sean Carroll, Neil deGrasse, Tyson, Michi Okaku, Lawrence Krauss.

Then there's a purported leaders of fundamental physics in theory.

It is the latter group in which Suskin is prominent.

These are just people who went bad and they decided that they would have a career extolling the virtues of a theory that can't ship and crapping on everybody else who comes up with

the Challenger theory. We're talking about UAPs, the Gallo Project, a recent paper that Obis

had out about the search and the construction of new telescopes. We're also talking about academia,

Doge, and what I've been really troubled with Eric, and I've been dying, I just miss you so much,

but I've been dying to get your thoughts on this. We're surrounded by people in the government

that are claiming that AI is science, that crypto is science. We have advisors to the president

in the United States that are basically unqualified to discuss science in the extreme. And in some cases, I'm thinking

of David Sacks, openly express, you know, almost derision for science, eggheads and so forth,

like Avi, like me, and like you. How is this going to affect us in our cultural milieu? I mean,

there's a lot of good things going on with Doge and everything else. I don't think the way

they're treating science is right. What do you think about that? It's a very difficult time because, to be honest with you,

as a guy who was in Silicon Valley for a while, the anti-science stuff didn't really come out

until, oh, gee, in my opinion. So in general, tech was pro-science, and somehow in the embittering fight over whether we can discuss COVID origins or whether that's above our pay grade because we're all racists to even wonder whether or not it might be the case that this came out of the lab. That was a very low moment where somebody induced,

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