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The Daily

Epstein Blunders and Tossed Indictments: The Downfall of Pam Bondi

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.3107.6K Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2026

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

President Trump announced that he would be replacing Pam Bondi as attorney general on Thursday. Tyler Pager, who broke the story of her removal, discusses how she fell out of favor with the president.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:08.2

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0:15.5

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0:24.3

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0:31.6

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0:45.8

here's today's show. From New York Times, I'm Michael Bobaro. This is the Daily.

0:57.4

Today. This is the Daily. Today, how Pam Bondi went from being the loyal attorney general of President Trump's dreams

1:05.0

to a blundering figure whom he abruptly fired on Thursday afternoon.

1:11.4

I turned to the journalist who broke the story that Bondi was about to be ousted.

1:17.5

White House reporter Tyler Pager.

1:25.9

It's Friday, April 3rd.

1:32.8

Well, Tyler, here we go again.

1:39.0

Another one bites the dust.

1:41.3

Yes, a second cabinet member fired by President Trump in four weeks.

1:46.8

And arguably, this firing ends the career of a cabinet member who is even more important to the president than the last one,

1:55.3

Christie Noem, head of Homeland Security, because this is the Attorney General.

1:59.4

And this attorney general, until the very end,

2:03.2

strikes me as a very paradoxical figure because she is simultaneously as absolutely loyal a foot

2:12.0

soldier as you could fathom, and yet somebody who keeps letting the president down.

2:18.8

You're absolutely right, Michael.

2:20.6

Pam Bondi was executing on a wide-ranging agenda that the president outlined when he ran for

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