Hey, it's Natalie. There's no episode of the interview this week, so I wanted to share something else with you.

An interview with General Stanley McChrystal from our colleagues in opinion.

He's the former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan and ran special operations during the war in Iraq.

McChrystal recently appeared on an episode of the Opinions podcast with the columnist David French.

It's a thoughtful conversation between two veterans about the war in Iran, the challenge for American forces there, and the future of the conflict.

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I'm David French.

I'm a columnist at the New York Times, and I'm also a veteran.

When I was thinking about who I could talk to about Trump's strategy in the world, with an

emphasis on the current conflict in Iran, there's just a list of two or three people in the

entire United States who I think would be most interesting on this topic.

And one of them is General Stan McChrystal.

General McChrystal is the former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. He's the former head of Joint Special Operations Command. He served

in Iraq when I was in Iraq. He has been called by former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates

as perhaps the finest warrior and leader of men

in combat I have ever met. And he's got a lot of interesting things to say about this conflict,

including observations about the origin of the conflict, the challenge American forces face,

the nature of the enemy that the United States is confronting,

whether Israel and the United States have similar interests and goals in this conflict.

And then we're going to end with the discussion of leadership and service that I think that

you will find very interesting. So without further ado, here is my conversation with General McChrystal.

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