Episode 91: Is the Iran war about China? A conversation with Melissa Chen
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Haviv Rettig Gur
4.9 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 18 February 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, we confront a critical "blind spot" in the Israeli (and too often broader Western) consciousness: The role of the People’s Republic of China as the silent architect behind the Middle East’s most volatile threats. Guest Melissa Chen, managing director at Strategy Risks, pulls back the curtain on a sobering reality where China acts as the sole guarantor of Iran’s survival, bypassing global sanctions to fuel a regime that mirrors its own anti-Western ambitions.
From the export of advanced repression technologies that stifle domestic dissent in Tehran to the algorithmic amplification of antisemitism on platforms like TikTok, Chen argues that the "Axis of Resistance" is increasingly powered by Chinese infrastructure. Our conversation is a reflective warning on the nature of "unrestricted warfare," where the battlefield has shifted from kinetic borders to the granular data in our electric vehicles and the hearts and minds of a polarized West. It is a necessary, albeit chilling, look at how a regime thousands of miles away has become a central, malign actor in the survival of the Jewish state and the stability of the liberal world order.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, everybody. Welcome to a new episode of Ask Khalid Anything. |
| 0:09.2 | Israel has a strange blind spot when it comes to China, or at least it has historically had that blind spot. |
| 0:16.0 | And the more I've read the work of today's guest, the less I understand why Israel doesn't see China as a fundamental |
| 0:23.4 | and central actor in this region, an actor who supports the greatest enemies of Israel in ways |
| 0:29.8 | that, without which they couldn't operate in the ways that they operate. I'm talking about Iran, |
| 0:33.7 | but not only Iran. I am absolutely guilty of this. You almost can't talk about Iran without |
| 0:40.1 | talking about China, and I managed to talk for years about Iran without really ever really talking |
| 0:45.9 | seriously about China. It's Iran on the Palestinian front, on AI, on many other questions |
| 0:53.1 | in the Middle East, and on algorithms on the Internet that drive anti-Semitism today. |
| 0:59.1 | Here to discuss all of these issues is Melissa Chen. |
| 1:02.9 | Melissa is a former journalist specializing in China and in geopolitics generally, who now serves as managing director of strategy risks, |
| 1:11.7 | which is a business intelligence firm dedicated to assessing and mitigating China-related risks for corporations, NGOs, |
| 1:17.7 | and governments. Very glad to have Melissa on. We'll get into it one second. I just want to tell |
| 1:22.9 | you we have a sponsor for this episode, one of our favorite sponsors, the Technion of Israel. |
| 1:30.5 | For more than a century, the Technion has powered Israel. |
| 1:33.5 | Its graduates built the nation's roads and bridges, its water systems, its electrical grid. |
| 1:38.5 | Israel's high-tech industry emerged from the Technion, the very foundation of the startup nation. |
| 1:43.6 | Today, as Israel recovers from the devastations of war, it needs the Technion more than ever. |
| 1:50.0 | Technion scientists are developing new energy sources, sustainable food and water solutions, |
| 1:55.0 | breakthrough medical therapies. They're creating the innovations for a better world that will also reboot Israel's economy. |
| 2:02.2 | If you want to help make Israel safe and strong, you support the Technion. |
| 2:06.6 | You're investing in the people, in the ideas that will rebuild Israel for a better future |
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