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Episode 90: Is it "fascist" to believe a state can belong to a specific people?

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Haviv Rettig Gur

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🗓️ 15 February 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Welcome to our new short-form episodes interspersed with the regular interviews that dive into an often-asked question about Israel, Jews and the Middle East.


Our current question: Is it "fascist" to believe a state can belong to a specific people?


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I don't want to accuse this person of being intentionally naive.

0:08.0

I think they genuinely feel those righteous feelings.

0:11.0

But the idea that a state can belong to a people, that you can have national self-determination

0:16.0

of a pre-existing people, and then in fact it's really important that the peoples of this world

0:21.1

who exist, there is such a category as people, and it can be profoundly important, that they get

0:26.8

to have their state. That is not a fascist idea. That is not historically what fascists argued.

0:33.0

That is, in fact, Woodrow Wilson's idea of self-determination, that is what Palestinians are asking for.

0:38.8

You can argue that it can be taken to fascist places. You can argue that extreme versions of it

0:43.0

can be bad. I'm not going to argue against you. We have too many examples of that.

0:46.8

The very idea that self-determination, that a state for a nation, is a fascist idea,

0:53.9

is something that only really works as a tweet.

0:58.3

However, I think that there's a profound question here, that this person, maybe if they had

1:04.6

time to go and sit and think and actually care about their own actions and questions

1:09.6

in the world and take themselves seriously,

1:12.5

I think they would come up with a better version of this question.

1:15.5

And the better version of this question is, I live, I'm assuming this about this person,

1:20.5

I live in a civic democracy.

1:22.8

I live in a country, possibly the U.S., maybe France, where legally there is no recognition of ethnicity.

1:29.9

Legally, there is no formal religion.

1:32.3

Legally, everyone is just a citizen, and the nation is the body of citizens, and the body of

1:37.5

citizens is the nation.

1:39.7

So, yes, in other countries, it works differently.

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