Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.

We're in the middle of a discussion right now with my guests.

We're going to bring you in, and then we're going to kind of go back and introduce them.

We have Michael McLean, Jeff McLean, and Dr. Brad Reedy to talk about a new book that they've written supporting and Jeff

talking about his stories being a gay Latterty Saint. But right now we're in the middle of

discussion with my wife talking about being at women's conference. She actually spoke there

and she heard this song that Michael McLean performed there for the first time. And that's what we want to bring into this discussion right now.

So anyway, Michael, tell us about the song or Jeff that you sing at Women's Conference.

Okay.

So I'm going to start this because, okay, this is a sun moment that I have to take over.

Okay, so 50 years ago, Dad's first at women's conference,

Dad wrote a song called You're Not Alone.

And you're not alone, as we know,

You're not alone, even though right now you're on your own,

was the very first song I ever sang when i was 10 or 11 when we

performed together so he wrote you're not alone 25 years later he wrote this song called a rise

and shine forth which is in my opinion i love you dad and i know your best song ever best gospel

best gospel song ever it ends the show and forgotten carols and i I'm like, this is a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant song. Let it add to the flame. Arise and shine forth. Let us add to the flame. And I would always sing it at women's conference. And it's a of a song to sing. It's so hard, so high, so difficult.

So anyway, I learned this song.

Of course, I'm scrouting it for dad.

I'm always like, why do you have to write such hard songs with 20,000 key changes?

But anyway, I digress.

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