meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Episode 884: Greg Prince Book “Gay Rights and the Mormon Church”, Episode One

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

My friend Greg Price (writer, scientist, businessman, philanthropist—see bio at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Prince) joins us to talk about his book “Gay Rights and the Mormon Church: Intended Actions, Unintended Consequences” released in 2019. In this episode, Greg talks the history of the Church approach to homosexuality—going from the behavior model (it’s a choice) to *mostly* the biological model (it’s not a choice). Greg’s book documents when the Church started talking about this (1960’s), what was said, the impact, and how we have gradually moved to where we are today. Greg talks about these painful chapters (including when just identifying as gay would get your excommunicated and expelled for Church schools). To understand the road our LGBTQ members and their families are walking, I believe it is important to understand where we have come from—which is sobering as we learn the reality of early days and the impact of LGBTQ members and their families. Further, I think it helps our minds and hearts be open to the need to continue to bring more understand and support—as I feel we are not at the finish line as we work to expand the boarders of Zion. Episode Two will focus on the Church LGBTQ legal efforts (starting with Hawaii in the 1990s) to where we are today. Thank you Greg for being on the podcast and all your efforts to bring more understanding and support for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints and their families. Links: Greg’s Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08P7Q8QZB

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Hello, welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.

0:09.7

About six months ago, I was on a long drive across the country, which is rare for me, and I thought

0:15.0

I better start listening to podcasts, which is something I don't usually do, and I started to listen to

0:20.4

In-N-Out with Jim and Ian,

0:22.7

and a frequent guest on that podcast is our guest on today's podcast.

0:27.1

Gregory Prince, welcome to the podcast, Greg.

0:30.3

Thank you.

0:30.9

I have to make one slight correction.

0:32.7

In-N-Out is a hamburger store.

0:34.3

Inside-Out is the podcast.

0:35.4

Oh, I'm glad you.

0:39.7

Inside-Out. We love In-N and out, but inside out certainly has better verbal content. So that's a good, I don't want to

0:45.8

get sideways with Jim and Ian by mispronouncing their podcast. And that's a terrific podcast. Check

0:51.9

that out. Greg has been somebody that's been an ally in the LGBTQ space longer than I have.

0:59.9

And after listening to a few those episodes, I just felt I need to read Greg's book.

1:05.5

It's called Gay Rights in the Mormon Church, intended actions, unintended consequences.

1:12.3

It was written in 2019, and it's a terrific book.

1:16.3

I finished the book.

1:17.5

Most of the guests that come on the podcast, I don't read their books.

1:20.4

I just don't have time.

1:22.1

But then I reached out to Greg and just thought, you know, I owe it to you, our listeners,

1:26.1

if you're not aware of Greg Prince

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Richard Ostler, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Richard Ostler and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.