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So, MBD, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, but the Data Center controversy is ongoing.

We have a big dispute in Utah where Kevin O'Leary, the Master of the Universe, Mr. Wonderful, is that

always called Mr. Wonderful from Sharp Tank is backing this massive project, data center project that has engendered all sorts of local opposition.

O'Leary went on Tucker Carlson's podcast where Carlson gave him a hard time and floated various conspiracy theories about why these data centers are being built in the United States.

People complain about the drain on energy, the water usage, the unsightliness of these things,

and some people apparently experience shaking or say they do. What do you make of it? Well, there's a lot here to unpack.

You know, first, I would say, you know, I have a very conventional,

national conservative view of data centers, which is, I'm excited about them.

I think it's good that Silicon Valley is going into this capital intensive phase,

where it's building out big projects that require lots of working class men to build them,

electricians, concrete, you know, in the long run, I mean, once the data center gets up and running,

for the size scale project it is, it's very efficient.

It doesn't employ gazillions of people forever.

But in the buildout, it's a boon.

And I'm for them because I'm for, you know, beating the Chinese.

I'm for pushing on the edge of the frontier models.

And I generally am bullish about AI as a technology itself.

I'm not a doomer about it at all. I think it's going to be amazingly

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