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The Editors

Episode 876: Massie Goes Down

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Conservatism, Politics, Charles C. W. Cooke, Michael Brendan Dougherty, Noah Rothman, Policy, Rich Lowry, Current Events, Jim Geraghty, Government, Public Policy, Madeleine Kearns, News, Conservative, National Review, Society & Culture

4.54.9K Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Thomas Massey goes down. Will the Republican Party ever be the same? And the Democrats botched their

0:22.7

autopsy. We'll discuss all this more on this edition of the editors. I'm Rich Larry. And I'm joined,

0:27.7

as always by our old friend Dan Foster, the grill master, Phil Klein, and the good neighbor, Noah Rothman.

0:33.0

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0:56.6

I said anything.

0:58.3

So Dan Foster, we had this epic battle for the soul of the Republican Party in this Kentucky

1:04.8

primary Thomas Massey's district.

1:08.0

He goes down to really, no offense, but kind of a political non-entity,

1:13.3

at least, Ed Galrine, former Navy SEAL and Farmer.

1:17.7

It wasn't much in evidence on the campaign trail.

1:21.4

The race was all about Massey.

1:23.6

Trump had targeted him in a huge way.

1:27.0

And as we've seen just across the landscape, when Trump goes after you, you go down.

1:32.5

Pretty much always.

1:33.8

There was at least one state senator, my friend Greg Goode, maybe another.

1:38.1

I didn't follow up in that other race, but almost all the Indiana state centers who didn't do the redistricting.

1:42.9

Trump wanted to go down.

1:44.7

Bill Cassidy goes down. Actually, third place in Louisiana primary. Massey goes down as well.

1:50.7

Now, Massey and his supporters want to say this was basically a kind of Jewish conspiracy against him and shows there's been a hostile neocon takeover of Donald Trump and the Republican

2:02.1

Party. What do you make of it?

2:03.9

Well, I'm probably a bad guy to go to first on this because I have kind of a contrarian

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