Hey, welcome to another episode of Off Air with Carmen. I am so excited about today's guests, y'all.

Horn Wells is at the top of his gang.

You know him best from Hills and Valleys, but also songs like Known,

when we pray, and most recently, Like You Love Me.

That's the song you're hearing right now. In this episode, we hit it all.

Identity and Calling are Assignments, Marriage and Touring, marriage and touring, and

Konya and Kobe and lots more.

Here's the thing about Torren.

He drops these platinum nuggets that make you want to go grab a pen and paper and start taking

notes. He's a preacher and he's one of our favorites.

Here's my conversation with Torren.

Torren, welcome to Off Air with Carmen.

So we sat a little earlier at your kitchen table and recorded track through your whole record,

citizen of heaven, with the morning crews.

But now, and the way I've described this

in the promos on air is that if you're

sitting around the kitchen table having morning coffee, we're just getting up our coffee mugs and moving to the den.

Retiring to the den.

Yes, so there's so many things that I want to talk to you about because as we've been setting up we're just having these funny

conversations yeah and I'm like wait hold on we'll talk about that on the on the

podcast but before we get started I actually want to be serious and then we'll get

to the fun part but about a year and a half ago,

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