Episode 668: Nigel Bull, Gay, Age 62, Lives in London

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

My friend Nigel Bull (who joined the Church at age 16, left, rebaptized at age 40, currently not active) joins us to share some of his story (complicated at times) as a gay Latter-day Saint. Nigel takes us back to like what it was to be gay in the '80's in the Church. Some of his story is painful to hear--but it helps us understand the realities of the road Nigel was walking. Nigel also shares his health challenges which led to being in a wheel chair starting in his late '20s and also being HIV positive and the unknows about that illness in the '80s. Nigel, who was suicidal at times, gives advice for others who are thinking of suicide to reach out (in the United States call/text/chat 988) and also "love yourself and believe in yourself." Nigel is one of my heroes for his courage to do his best to navigate being a Latter-day Saint and gay during a time with less understanding and support. You are a good man Nigel. I'm glad you are alive and all the people you have helped along the way. Glad to have you on the podcast! Links: Index of Podcasts: listenlearnandlove.org/podcasts Ministering to LGBTQ Latter-day Saints Facebook Group www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143 Richard Ostler Book: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: Deseret Book: deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/1462135773

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0:00.0	Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.
0:10.3	Sometimes I reach out to somebody and ask them to be on the podcast, and sometimes it's somebody whose story we'd never hear.
0:18.8	And that's my guest today, my friend Nigel Bull.
0:22.7	I'm joining us from London, England.
0:24.9	Welcome to the podcast, Nigel.
0:27.3	Thank you, Richard.
0:28.6	It's been here.
0:30.4	And I love hearing your English accent, Nigel.
0:33.7	As listeners may know, I served my mission in Manchester and Liverpool, north of you,
0:39.2	and love the people in England.
0:42.6	Nigel, when I became an ally, we traded messages, and I looked back at all the messages we traded,
0:48.2	and we had the chance to meet at Affirmation in 2018 or 2019, Nigel made it all the way out here.
0:57.0	Nigel's in a wheelchair. He's been in a wheelchair since his late 20s. He's in his 60s.
1:03.2	He's gay, but he currently identifies as as as as asexual.
1:07.6	He's been around the LDS Church. He's not active in the church right now.
1:12.6	He actually left the church completely a couple of years ago.
1:16.6	His names are still on the records of the church.
1:20.9	But he got baptized at age 16 and rebaptized at age 40.
1:25.8	And like a lot of wonderful people around her faith are trying
1:29.6	to navigate how to be a Latter-day Saint and how to be gay. And I just felt impressed.
1:37.8	Nigel doesn't have a platform. He doesn't have his own podcast. And I just felt impressed
1:43.0	to use this platform. So Nigel's story will be forever
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