Okay friends, a quick disclaimer here. The audio on this episode is not super amazing. I realized that I had

something on my interface that I used turned up really loud. I wasn't using my normal headphones

and it was a little thrown off. So nine years into this podcasting game, I'm a little bit, I don't know,

embarrassed isn't the right word. I'm just annoyed. But I'm not going to re-record this because I'm

not going to take more of Erica's time than I already have. And also it's summertime and there's

a lot going on for everybody, right? So just listen to the

volume a little bit lower because there is a little bit of a crackle, which is a bit irritating.

And stick around. You can do it. We can do hard things. We can listen to audio. That's not perfect.

I mean, geez, compared to 10 years ago or nine years ago when I started this podcast,

I would have considered this good audio.

So here we are.

But yeah, sorry about the audio here.

It should be better and it's not.

But please enjoy this conversation with Erica Kemp.

This is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast.

Hey friends, welcome to all have another podcast with Lindsay Hine.

I'm your host, Lindsay.

Thanks so much for joining today.

This week on the podcast, Erica Kemp joins me.

She is a new member and co-host of the Relay podcast.

And it's been a while since she's been here on this podcast.

She's been on, I'll have another podcast twice.

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