Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

And I am Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Pastors Talk.

And I would say that right now I'm content and kind.

Yes, you are.

As you so often...

Particularly toward the end of the day when you stop by.

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Pastors talk.

That's what we're going to do.

With Jonathan Lehman.

And Mark Devere.

What are we talking about this time, Jonathan?

You once wrote an article on why pastors should not, all caps, not practice church discipline.

First sentence, don't do it, you said.

That's the first thing I tell pastors when they discover church discipline is in the Bible.

I say, don't do it.

At least not yet.

Why this advice, Mark?

Because I've seen guys get wowed, surprise and wowed by the Bible's teaching on church discipline

and be saddened by their own church's disobedience, and then feel

resolved.

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