Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer. And this is Marianne Sullivan. Thank you so much for joining us this week. Marianne's guests this week is Kate Wall, who is a lobbyist for the International Fund for Animal Welfare.

IFAA does work all over the world, of course, but they will be talking about legislation in the

U.S., what we are seeing from the Biden administration. What needs to happen to address these

ever-strengthening crisis and biodiversity, the connection

to pandemics, and some specific legislative proposals which may see some success in the

near future.

This was a good interview because even though Kate does seem to have a firm grasp on how bad things are, she doesn't

really, pussyfoot, so to speak.

She does have a certain amount of hope.

She's working on specific things that she thinks can make happen.

And others, she and others can make happen.

So this might be a good interview if you're feeling down.

On the flock bonus segment, I'll be continuing my conversation with Kate.

And as always, if you are a flock member, you'll get the link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after the podcast episode goes up.

You could always find it on the flock Facebook group. And if you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate. Also, if you're a member of the flock, please join us for our flock first Friday Zoom calls, which are once a month on the first Friday of the month, at 4 p.m. Eastern,

8 p.m. Greenwich meantime, where we focus on how to be better activists and how to take care

of ourselves. And we speak to some inspiring guests this past week, which was the first Friday.

We spoke with Thomas Goodman, who you might recall as a very recent podcast guest who had some really,

really cool tips and suggestions on some more grassroots ways that we can all get involved

on our own free time with changing the world for animals. So if you're a member of the flock,

check out the flock Facebook group for updates or write to us at info at our henhouse.org.

And just a reminder, if you're in the flock, please set up a one-on-one with me on Zoom if you're

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