Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Mary Ann Sullivan, and this is Jasmine Singer. We are super excited about this week's interview, really. I just love that we're doing so many international interviews. It's just so exciting. This week we have Hakeem Jimo, and he is the

entrepreneurial force behind veg chunks, which is Nigeria's first commercially produced meat

substitute. He's also really active in the vegan movement and in not-for-profit efforts to grow

veganism in Nigeria, through things like reaching out to schools and to

churches. So this is a pretty exciting interview. Very exciting. On this week's Flock bonus segment,

I'll be continuing my conversation with Hakeem. As always, if you're a Flock member, you will get a

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always write to us at info at our henhouse.org. And before we get to the interview, I just wanted

to chat about some exciting new things that have been going on in a fast food restaurant world.

I actually took a trip the other day and didn't have time. It was a necessary day trip. I didn't have enough time to make food for the road. And I just thought, oh, I'll just go to Dunkin' Donuts. Oh, which by the way, they have a new avocado toast, which I know isn't like the most exciting thing ever. I love avocado toast. How could they not be excited? Well, I guess because it's sort of accidentally vegan and it would be better if Dunkin' Donuts had vegan donuts and vegan cream cheese. But, you know, I think that might get there. In any case, I'm still very grateful for the efforts that Duncan Zonuts has gone to.

You know, that's hard, too. And I'm not sure I would say it's accidentally vegan. They might have been trying to expand their vegan offerings in ways that didn't seem like, you know, just replacing some of their animal-based products with identical vegan products. But avocados are not the easiest thing to deal with. I'm surprised a fast food company, you know, is really capable of like buying them, keeping them right, not smushing them. Well, it's like a avocado toast like, you know, spread. I'm not sure. I don't know. Oh, yeah. But at Starbucks recently had it. I don't think they do anymore. And at Starbucks, it was really bad. I actually went this morning to Dunkin' Donuts to get an oat milk latte, and I wanted to get the avocado toast, but they were out, which, you know, might be a really good sign. It means that they're selling out. But I haven't yet tried it to see if it's any good. Of course, they also have the Beyond Meat Sliders there, which is huge. You have to get it without the cheese and egg, but it's still really good.

Anyway, there are even more fast food restaurants.

Well, speaking of Beyond Meat, I hope you all bought a lot of stock when it was cheap. I did not.

He probably heard that there are striking partnerships, as this article points out, with McDonald's and Yum brands yeah big time we're going big time the

McPlant which is the absolutely horrific name that McDonald's is giving to its vegan burger

I think even I would order a McPlant this is from CNN that you're reporting on this

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