Welcome to our hen house. This is Jasmine Singer. And this is Marianne Sullivan.

And we're so excited about this week's show. Today, Marianne has such a great interview for those of you who like to think through why everyone else is wrong about animals. And you're right. That sounds perfect for you. Yeah, no, I like to think I'm right about almost everything. What's the almost? What are the things you're not right about? Actually, I am, I think I'm right about everything because if I didn't think I was right about everything, I would just change my mind. Like, it makes no sense. So, yeah, everything. Well, there might be some things I wasn't didn't think I was right about everything I would just change my mind like it makes no sense so yeah everything well there might be some things I

haven't thought about in a while okay well let us know if you figure that out

Jamie hosts the podcast sentientism which I was recently honored to be a guest on and

he really pushed me outside of my comfort zone in a way that I deeply appreciate

and I have grown to really, really like him and his perspective. It's very different from our henhouse.

And what he's doing is actually much more than a podcast, I would say it's a movement.

He likes to think these things through as well,

and he does so brilliantly, and he manages to keep it simple and cogent and focused on what

really matters. Yes, he sure does. I really like this interview. And on the flock bonus segment,

I'll be continuing my conversation with Jamie. And as always, if you are a flock member,

you can get the link to that bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after the podcast goes up.

You can always find it on the flock Facebook group. If like me, your email is piling up and you can't

find anything in it, but I digress. If you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month

at our henhouse.org slash donate.

So, you know, I had like 800,000 emails and I got them down.

That wasn't a joke.

No.

And I got them down to under 10.

Yeah.

Well, you used some crazy program that, like, charge you money and they just deleted all your emails.

Pretty much.

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