Episode #55: Inside NSA, Part IV—We Speak with Anne Neuberger, the Woman on Front Lines of NSA's Relations with Industry

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🗓️ 19 December 2013

⏱️ 44 minutes

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The U.S. technology sector is pretty upset with NSA these days. Anne Neuberger, who manages the agency's relations with the private sector, is on the front lines of this tense relationship. Bobby Chesney and Benjamin Wittes sat down with her to discuss encryption, industry calls to rein in spying, and the difficult place the Snowden disclosures have put industry in with respect to their many foreign customers.

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:55.6	And any given link, I have an email from our head of competitors who are saying, okay we're
1:16.3	now seeing update, uptake of this particular over-the-top technology or this particular
1:21.9	technology, what can we do with it? And the answer more frequently than not is, that's
1:29.4	a level of encryption, what is incredibly challenging and that we don't necessarily have the
1:34.9	capabilities to work.
1:36.9	I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast, special edition part 4, inside NSA.
1:45.5	We brought in a recording device so you don't have to do it, we exfiltrated many gigabytes
1:50.7	of data in the form of podcast interviews with five of the agency's senior management team.
1:57.4	Nearly half a gigabyte of that data was this interview with Ann Newberger, she's got a job
2:02.7	I don't envy at all, she's the head of NSA's commercial solution center, which is to say
2:08.9	the agency's liaison with the US private sector. A lot of US industry is really upset with
2:15.3	the agency right now, companies don't like having their compelled cooperation with NSA
2:20.9	made public, they really don't like not being able to talk about it and they really, really
2:26.6	don't like the suggestion that NSA may be tapping the pipes between their overseas data
2:32.1	centers and cracking their encryption. We sat down with Newberger to talk about the future
2:37.8	of NSA's relationship with the private sector, is the cooperation drying up, is there
2:43.8	a real threat of going dark? As NSA put companies in a terrible position with respect to their
2:50.2	ability to do business overseas, it's the LawFair podcast inside NSA, part 4.
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